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Bob Jacobs's avatar

Yes, though I wouldn't use the word "persuasion" since what is persuasive depends on the context. As you already demonstrated with your math conference example, dispassionate analysis can be quite persuasive to the right crowd. I think the word you're looking for is "rhetoric".

I do hope that intellectuals start using rhetoric more, but I also hope they don't embrace it fully but only selectively. To see why let's take violence as an example again. If nobody does any violence a violent person can grab power without any blowback. But the solution is not to therefore embrace violence, the solution is to only use violence *reactively* against those who use violence *proactively*. In the same way we should use rhetorical techniques *reactively* against those who use them *proactively*.

Also, when using violence reactively one needs to be careful to only target aggressors and not anyone else (even if they indirectly support them e.g. the invaders taxpayers), otherwise they may retaliate, starting a cycle of vengeance. Similarly, when using persuasion techniques to bring an demagogue down, try not to target anyone else (even if they indirectly support them e.g. the demagogues patreon supporters). In realty-land this is often not possible, and even if you succeed a cycle of vengeance may start anyway because they were so devoted to the aggressor (e.g. the son of the target). Not to mention that in the realm of discourse it's sometimes unclear what counts as analysis and what counts as rhetoric so a miscommunication/misinterpretation can easily trigger a spiral of retaliation. If we don't want to start these cycles, and (on occasion) get out of them, I recommend a strategy of "forgiving tit for tat". Start out cooperative, if they become combative switch to a combative style as well, but at random intervals propose a truce/starting a cooperative spiral.

citrit's avatar

Great post!

A note on the paradox of tolerance: a lot of people take Popper to mean that we should suppress those opinions that argue for an intolerant society. This isn't the case.

"i do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument ... they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."

I understand that this post doesn't make this mistake—qualifying with superlatives in instances like "a policy of unlimited tolerance" and "complete non-violence". Nonetheless, I thought I'd leave a comment about it, since I've heard it misused in conversation a bit too often

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