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Bob Jacobs's avatar

"Everyone generalizes from one example. At least, I do."

- Steven Brust

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I spend a disproportionate amount of time in progressive circles and this does not (fully) correspond with my experiences. Do you have some surveys or something that also show this? In particular I don't think most progressives hold these beliefs:

• Complete moral relativism

• There are no true statements

• The powerful are always bad

• Power is always oppressive

• Success in hierarchical systems is always bad

• The powerful are always oppressors

• The oppressed can do no wrong

• The oppressors can do no right

• Minorities are always beyond reproach due to their oppressed status

• Ambiguity in speech is a virtue

• Logic is an oppressive imposition

• We can successfully categorize people into fixed group identities

• We shouldn't think in terms of trade-offs

• It's always bad to wield/use power

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(Most, but not all, of the beliefs I do think they hold I wouldn't see as irrational e.g. regarding capitalism, imperialism etc)

Let me know if you want examples/reasons for why I think most progressives don't hold these. Or if you want to do a survey on SurveyMonkey or similar, I'd be willing to pitch in.

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I also think that while most progressives will say they are at least partially informed by critical theory, most of them aren't in actuality and I bet most haven't read a single thing by the Frankfurt school or similar. As someone who has, let me tell you that this part:

>Taken together, these dogmas collapse into a simple moral rule: The powerful are always bad. This informal, unwritten surrogate moral theory likely stems from the implicit normative standards baked into critical theory, which seeks to critique, and dismantle power structures.

is not what critical theory endorses. Just because they want to critique and dismantle power structures doesn't mean they want to critique and dismantle *all* power structures. Or if you want progressives to use logic:

Premise 1: ∀x(x is a power structure → x is critiqued)

Premise 2: ∀x(x is critiqued → x is morally bad)

Conclusion: ∀x(x is a power structure → x is morally bad)

But premise 1 doesn't hold, they don't want to critique/dismantle all power structures e.g. democratically selected community leaders in oppressed groups. Or in other words:

∃x(x is a power structure ∧ x is not critiqued)

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I also disagree with this part:

> the critical theory tradition, whose opaque writing style leaves passages ambiguous, frequently masking internal contradictions.

I think this is absolutely true of postmodernism, and postmodernism is part of critical theory. But not all critical theory is postmodernism. Or in formal logic:

Postmodern Critical Theorist ⊂ Critical Theorist ∩ Opaque Writing

From which we *can't* conclude that:

Critical Theorist ⊆ Opaque Writing

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Also, be careful with reporting bias. I do think progressives, on average, have worse mental health, but we need to keep in mind that since they have much less of a taboo on the topic they're more likely to seek it out/ report on it/ take it seriously.

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Edit: formatting, because substack ignores my white-spaces

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"In many circles, identity is considered fluid, personal, and subjective. Yet, in the same circles, people are understood and categorized through fixed group identities such as race, gender, and class."

this apparent contradiction isn't one I think most progressives actually grapple with. the simple response is "enforcing catagories on others is oppressive, identity is fluid, but finding a catagory you like is comforting and good"

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