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Citizen Penrose's avatar

I can't remember what it's called but there's an astral codex 10 post about how socially acceptable an idea is affects what kind of people believe it. When being gay was taboo for example, the average pro-legalising-homosexuality advocate would have been a really unusual and probably quite deplorable person. Now that being gay isn't taboo the average person with pro-legalising-homosexuality views is almost the same as the average person.

I'd say I'm far-left and being honest I'm probably also more sympathetic to far-right ideologies than the average person. But I still think horseshoe-authoritarian-psychology-theory is wrong just because the connection between being fascist and communist in liberal society is probably just having a tendency to go against the social norm. In a fascist society I'd probably be more pro-communist and more pro-liberal than average. In a communist society I'd probably be more pro-fascist and more pro-liberal than average. I don't think there's any inherent connection.

Hope that's a helpful perspective.

edit: here's the SSC post: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/04/respectability-cascades/

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Bob Jacobs's avatar

Hmmm, I think this is more due to how the words "far" and "extreme" get interpreted in these studies. Take a belief like anarcho-primitivism. Clearly this a more "far" or "extreme" version of regular left wing hippies, but they are not authoritarians, and it's mostly eccentric philosophers that advocate for this view. Even though that worldview is far left of the regular left wing (more extreme) we don't think of them as leftwing extremists. It almost becomes a tautology, "far" and "extreme" in horseshoe theory do not mean far from the mainstream, it means "prone to authoritarianism", so exclusively Stalinists etc. When we measure these "far" and "extreme" leftists we find that... they are prone to authoritarianism...wow.

I say this because a lot of people who vote for "non-extreme" candidates might have extreme views. For example, I mostly vote for social democrat types, but I would also want to create and join a hive-mind. This belief is much more far/extreme than a MAGA person wanting Trump to become a dictator, dictators are aplenty in the world, yet I'm not considered "extreme".

Or from the other side, a lot of people in the tech blogosphere vote for mostly neoliberal types but also want to create and be ruled over by a benevolent all powerful AI. This is much more extreme than leftists wanting to replace all for-profit companies with worker coops, but they're not considered "extreme". I think the moniker of "far" or "extreme" just gets put on people who are authoritarian and not on people like me or the anarcho-primitivists (who are actually extreme) because we're not a threat. The word is closer to an imputation than a description.

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