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Bob Jacobs's avatar

Additional downsides of refusing political allegiances and using morality instead:

1) "Politicizing" moral frameworks might be even worse. Since you're a utilitarian imagine what harm it could create if one group of people starts identifying themselves primarily as utilitarians. E.g. say the rationalist-sphere labels itself as utilitarians and now the bundle of things they disproportionately endorse: neoliberalism, animal welfare, race science, critical thinking, prediction markets, charity, billionaire philanthropy, all become part of this "utilitarianism tribe". Now if I want to argue in favor of animal welfare and critical thinking on utilitarian grounds I will get lumped in with other things I disagree with (like neoliberalism, race science etc), so I have a strong personal incentive to not endorse utilitarianism (or even animal welfare etc). Moral philosophy becomes not a pursuit of insights but a list of tribal markers.

2) Political ideologies are coordination mechanisms. Say we live in a world where labor gets systematically disadvantaged through taxation and other legal mechanisms while capital gets systematically privileged (let's call this world "planet earth"). Listing all the different ways takes too long, so maybe we should have a word that bundles them. To combat it laborers want to come together to start 'the labor movement' and create 'the labor party', which would allow them to quickly communicate and work together to push back against this unfairness. But wait, we shouldn't identify with political ideologies, so people don't put out signs, don't identify themselves with it, don't create the party etc. Less tribal identifiers makes the media/discussion landscape less vitriolic, yes, but the lessening of tribal coordination also privileges the status quo.

Potential middle ground. Instead of saying "I am a socialist" or "I identify as a capitalist" or "I'm staunchly conservative", we could say "I subscribe to socialist ideals" or "I endorse capitalism" or "I'm registered as a conservative". That way we keep the coordination mechanisms, but loosen it's grip on our identities, since it's something we're currently doing, and as such can stop doing.

EDIT: I touched briefly on this idea above, but if you're interested in a much deeper and more detailed breakdown of point 2, Jessie Ewesmont just published her post here: https://jessieewesmont.substack.com/p/contra-mon0-on-political-allegiance

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Michelle Harmon's avatar

Wonderful Work ❤️More Please

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